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| MichaBen |
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 Registered Member #1336 Joined: Tue Jul 25 2006Location: Netherlands (Rotterdam) Posts: 267 | There is something wrong with the stats for Joint Operations, and I'm pretty sure it's the Hardmaps TR NA server that is causing the trouble. Everytime a map is finished on that server, the game freezes for a few minutes, and in the server status the server will be listed offline for some time. When, sometimes after 5 minuts, the server comes back online in the server status, the stats are updated. However, sometimes your stats are updated, even if you didn't play in the server at all. This evening I played a few maps this evening in the TR NA server and then switched to the TR2 server. I made some screenshots of my stats to compare them, and even when I leave before the map starts, I still get points for that map and even for the map after it. And when you do play, sometimes you get twice as much points, for example I had about 40 med saves in a map this evening, and in my stats it counted about 80. Finally, it also happens that your stats aren't counted at all. It's not the end of the world, as the main reason I'm playing is for fun and not for stats, and it won't stop me from playing if the stats aren't counted. But I like the ability to check my stats of course, but I only care about points earned myself in a fair way, not stats given for free by a bug in the stats server. So does anybody know why this is happening? I don't know if this is a known problem, maybe some people know about it but keep it for themself because they enjoy getting free points. I had the idea the stats were incorrect for some time, but always forgot to make actual screenshots of it to be sure about itt. Now I have 2 screenshots as a proof that the stats are indeed wrong (I can post them if that would help solving it). The last 2 maps I really played were HmS River Delta Pt2 TR on the TR2 server and Black OPS/Hill 309 in the TR NA server. I got points for the Black OPS/River Patrol, Black OPS/Revenge and Black OPS/Last Stand v2 map this evening, but I did not play these maps at all. [ Edited Wed Feb 27 2008 ] | ||
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| *HmS*Wedge |
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Captain Slow   Registered Member #3 Joined: Fri Dec 19 2003Location: Scotland Posts: 4651 | Are you are looking at the time played, seeing as you played on an american server the time played would be in US time NOT your time, you then played on a UK based server and would then show your last time played as UK time. You cant get free points, the servers upload one file after every map to the stats database with the details from each mission only, the servers dont make up stats for players who havent played in it. As for the TR NA server freezing after every map this is the first time we have been informed of a problem so we will have a look and see whats going on, thank you for letting us know. | ||
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| MichaBen |
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| Registered Member #1336 Joined: Tue Jul 25 2006Location: Netherlands (Rotterdam) Posts: 267 | I know about the time difference, I figured out it's a difference of 1 hour for the TR2 and 6 hours for the NA server to my time. The stats page says "19:48:46" as last played time for me, which would be 1:48 in my time. That however is in fact the time I was typing this post, and I can impossibly type this post and play in the server at the same time  Also, here are 2 pictures I made of my stats today:  I haven't played the Black OPS/River Patrol map at all this evening, but if I have to believe my stats, I played it for almost 3 hours and killed 169 enemies in it. Comparing the other changes in my stats, I made 55 knifings as well in that map. If you know the River Patrol map, you should understand that knifings in that map are almost impossible, knifing 55 enemies in that map is something even the best player cannot do. I have no idea how this could happen, but I have seen it happening multiple times now, always on the TR NA server. It also sounds impossible to me, but I'm pretty sure I didn't play the Black OPS/River Patrol map this evening, and that can be verified I think because I was in the TR2 server at the time that map was on.  | ||
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| *HmS*Tiger |
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The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on my list. Registered Member #343 Joined: Fri Oct 29 2004Location: Baton Rouge, LA USA Posts: 1490 | I think this is attributed to the Flying Dutchman syndrome. lol | ||
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| Fibershark |
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Sharky  Registered Member #1191 Joined: Sat Apr 29 2006Location: Borne, Netherlands Posts: 165 | never knew you were that obsesed by your stats, michaben. But i also notice that by most played maps there is never a chance by my stats. butt hell, i would't care less if there where no stats at all. now i look at them again, its time for some pointhunting   | ||
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| *HmS*Wedge |
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| Captain Slow Registered Member #3 Joined: Fri Dec 19 2003Location: Scotland Posts: 4651 | We will take a look at the server, give JO a reinstall and see if that clears the problem of freezing up at the end of the map, I had a look at the files the stat system creates after each map and I cant see anything unusual, like I say I have never seen the system give extra points, if anything we get people telling us they lost stats rather than given free ones. | ||
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| *HmS*Quick |
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 Registered Member #143 Joined: Mon Mar 29 2004Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 1700 | You are reading the stats wrong, Michaben. The screenshots you posted were for your stats, the 10 Most Played Maps. The stats tracks the maps you play over and over, and the ones you play the most, puts your stats into the list you are referring to there, with the 149 kills, etc. That doesn't mean that you played them today, yesterday, or even last week. That is simply a list of the maps you play the MOST. I bet that you also didn't play that map for 13 hours and 11 minutes within the last day or so either. Ambo does not upload and our database does not provide you with the individual map by map information. You simply can't get that from going to our stats. Most of the servers that we have will do what you say there from time to time. You will notice them "offline" on the server status page and an Import Timeout error will occur on Ambo. This usually happens as the maps roll, as during that time, the game is taking up most, if not all of the CPU time by changing maps, and Ambo takes a back seat to the game. The stats are counted, and are uploaded as you play the game, I think it is every 30 seconds or so. That is why it comes back "online" automatically after the map is loaded. I host TR NA and ESC NA on the same machine in my house on my connection. So, rest assured I will look into the trouble, as I don't want there to be any problems with hosting on that machine. If something is needed to be changed, it will be done when I have the time to get to it. Until then, I am leaving the server up, bugs or not, so that everyone that plays there has a spot to play in. | ||
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| MichaBen |
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| Registered Member #1336 Joined: Tue Jul 25 2006Location: Netherlands (Rotterdam) Posts: 267 | I know what the top 10 means, but the point it I made those 2 screenshots a few minutes after each other, without playing in the server at all. In the first screenshot, Black OPS/River Patrol is in the 5th place of top 10 most played maps. In the second screenshot, it's in the 2nd place. The 2 screenshots were made the same evening, one when the Black OPS/River Patrol map was currently running, the other one when it was rolled and the stats came back online. Also it wasn't just the top 10 that got updated, I just picked that part for the screenshot. But also all the scores got updated, last playing time changed to the time the last map was rolled and total games played went from 1412 to 1413. So it was just like what should happen when a map is rolled, except that I didn't play and the given score was impossible for that map. I checked the screenshots a bit more, and found out that for 2 of the ghost stats, the exact same score was added: 55 knifings, 169 kills, 4 PSPs, 73 meds, 2 targets. It was the exact same score added twice while I wasn't playing. It can't be the score of somebody else for this reason, and also for the reason that the maps that were on didn't even have 4 PSPs in them. My idea is that these scores were left in the memory of the server and didn't get cleared somehow. So each time a map was rolled, these scores were still in the memory and were send over and over. It stopped from happening later in the evening, when more people joined the TR NA server, which proberly overwritten the memory again and stopped the ghost stats from appearing. I only just noticed that the exact same scores were added after each map that was rolled, so I didn't pay attention to that when making screenshots. Next time I'm in the TR NA server (proberly this evening, since the TR2 server crashed), I'll make some more screenshots of both stats and scorings shown in game, maybe I'll can see where these numbers actually come from. Because I didn't have 73 med saves in any of the maps I played yesterday, I thought I had just 42, but forgot to make screenshots because I had the idea these numbers of the ghost stats were random and didn't spot they were the same every time yet. | ||
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| *HmS*grunt |
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| Life is like a box of chocolates... Registered Member #14 Joined: Sat Dec 20 2003Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2646 | Hierarchy of Hardmaps: Friendship Gaming Fun Servers Website Fun More Gaming Testing Maps Chuckles Funny Movies Fun Forums Advise Did I mention Fun? . . . . and WAYYYYYY down the list..... . . . . . stats. | ||
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| MichaBen |
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| Registered Member #1336 Joined: Tue Jul 25 2006Location: Netherlands (Rotterdam) Posts: 267 | *HmS*grunt wrote ... Friendship Gaming Fun Servers Website Fun More Gaming Testing Maps Chuckles Funny Movies Fun Forums Advise Did I mention Fun? And that is why I want my stats  Seriously, the only 3 things in my stats I'm interested in is rank image (I like having nice images next to my name, the Chief of State icon looks very nice so I want it, just 34092 more points I don't like the icons for Da Boss and I play you much, so I don't want those, and I hope I will never get so much points ), knife kills (because knifing is fun, I like flashbang+knife attacks to clear rooms, did I mention knifing is fun?) and med saves (because it's both fun and good for your team). I don't really care about the other things in the stats page.Anyway, about the problem with the TR NA server: I just played 2 games. First game no stats were submitted, second game the correct score was send to the stat page. Until now no ghost stats. [ Edited Wed Feb 27 2008 ] | ||
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| *HmS*Proteus |
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  Registered Member #1341 Joined: Sat Jul 29 2006Location: Chesterfield, England Posts: 487 | *HmS*grunt wrote ... Hierarchy of Hardmaps: Friendship Gaming Fun Servers Website Fun More Gaming Testing Maps Chuckles Funny Movies Fun Forums Advise Did I mention Fun? . . . . and WAYYYYYY down the list..... . . . . . stats. you forgot to mention FUN, unless i missed it Grunt [ Edited Wed Feb 27 2008 ] | ||
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| *HmS*Trevor |
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| Registered Member #35 Joined: Tue Dec 30 2003Location: Lincolnshire England Posts: 2080 | I say lets turn the stats off, and make the Hardmaps Crew life so much easier, as Grunt says, we play for fun and freindship, stats are totally irrelevant and a very low priority for all HmS. | ||
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| *HmS*grunt |
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| Life is like a box of chocolates... Registered Member #14 Joined: Sat Dec 20 2003Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2646 | But in the interest of keeping things running, it will get looked into - no promises on the time though. | ||
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| Fibershark |
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| Sharky Registered Member #1191 Joined: Sat Apr 29 2006Location: Borne, Netherlands Posts: 165 | Hey Grunt ............. HAVE FUN !!!!!   | ||
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| *HmS*Quick |
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| Registered Member #143 Joined: Mon Mar 29 2004Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 1700 | I do see what you are talking about now Michaben. Sheesh, you look closely at your stats! I think you are right, this may well have been going on for a while now without any of us knowing, and people just piling up the points and keeping it quiet. Wedge and I found the strange goings on in the stats files that are uploaded to the website. I host both ESC NA and TR NA on that machine, and I don't know if this problem is limited to just TR NA. We can see the files being uploaded, and there is something strange going on with that. As Ambo works through JO, we haven't yet been able to determine if this is a problem with JO or Ambo. I will have a closer look this weekend, maybe shut them both down and try a few things. If that doesn't work, maybe a reinstall of JO for both servers and Ambo for both would resolve it. If that doesn't work, format c:\ usually does the trick. Unfortunately, if that happens, the server may be down for days... | ||
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